Chat with Elilea

Man I can never spell this guys name correctly.

Anyway, I talked with BK about my concerns for how Spada had access to the #playground chat so soon after he died; he shouldn't have known it unless Vamp told him. But Vamp wasn't online, so...I asked her if there was some mafia dead talk guy. Of course she couldn't say either way, except to say "Nobody except Aarin should be talking to you." My idea was that maybe Elilea could still talk to mafia somehow, so I wanted to test that out...

Sky_Work> Ahah~
Vampirate> o/
Sky_Work> Vamp, quick question bud - one of the abilities we guessed for the Priest was that he was able to deadtalk with mafia. Was that actually the case?
Vampirate> vamp shrugs
Sky_Work> Ok, it's just that I was curious how Spada was told about this chat room. He was here less than 15 minutes after he died and you didn't appear to be online, so. How did he know?
Vampirate> I PMed Spada almost a little after he died
Sky_Work> OK~
Sky_Work> You can tell Eliliea too if you want. he told me to go eat broken glass, so, I'm not particularly keen on chattingwith him.
Vampirate> heh
Sky_Work> So, speculation on THG~
Vampirate> If you ate broken glass would he chat with you?
Sky_Work> Hmm, I dunno.
Sky_Work> Probably not. He just told me to eat it, so.
Sky_Work> I am pretty sure THG is either mafia, or if not, a dangerous liability for the town.
Vampirate> So what are you trying to say Sky?
Sky_Work> If he's not mafia, it's in your interests to shut him down or kill him - correct?
Sky_Work> Because so far he is responsible for two (maybe 3) mafia dead.
Vampirate> I am dead I can't do much.
Sky_Work> You can dead vote and you can corspe vote.
Vampirate> what do those 2 do?
Sky_Work> Between Spada and Eliliea, we may also be able to work out what his network is like.
Sky_Work> Dead vote - we were told that it acts like a saboteur on at least one occasion. Corpse vote - if Aarin dies, all the dead vote, the winner of the vote is killed by zombies.
Vampirate> So vote THG then on both votes?
Sky_Work> That is what I am doing but I am curious to know what you are doing.
Sky_Work> I have asked the other dead to do the same.
Sky_Work> Those who didn't want to vote THG wanted to vote TheThirdRider but he is dead now, so...
Vampirate> So what, can I ask BoD now that my dead and corpse vote are?
bringerofcats> nope
Sky_Work> You can, or you could read in the rules.
Sky_Work> Only the person who wins the vote knows what happens.
Sky_Work> So THG told Aarin (who then told me) that it sabotaged him during the night phase.
Sky_Work> If either of them are lying, then, *shrug*
Sky_Work> However when we deadvoted him previously, the vote tally didn't reflect anything unusual so I think his story checks out.
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Sky_Work> Yes, run away, little Vampirate. It'll do you no good.
Sky_Work presses 4, 2, 1, b and Reimu teleports on Sakura's head
Sky_Work> Pyo-ho-ho~
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Elilea> Haro thar. ;;
Sky_Work> It's that Elilea guy~
Sky_Work> Well I will be straightforward with you - Vamp asked me to help him kill townies.
Sky_Work> He didn't tell me any mafia roles or anything really of use.
Sky_Work> Obviously he expects me or Aarin to tell it straight to some known townie and get you killed, so.
Sky_Work> Personally I don't dead talk; Aarin's allowed to because of his role.
Elilea> I will confer with our Necromancer and various mafioso.

('our' Necromancer? Ding ding ding ding ding!!)

Sky_Work> By 'various mafioso' you of course mean Vampirate and Spada.
Sky_Work> We were pretty sure mafia had their own speak-to-the-dead-guy too.
Sky_Work> Vampirate wanted to know the bodyguard names. I don't know them. The elected people hated me and wanted me dead.
Sky_Work> Both of them would have autolynched me if they won the vote, so.
Sky_Work> What motivates me right now is revenge.
Sky_Work> I want Roxy and THG dead.
Sky_Work> If either of them are townies, this works in your favor.
Elilea> They are townies.
Elilea> I know the mafioso and they are not among them.
Sky_Work> surprise afk brb
Sky_Work> Ok back nwo.
Sky_Work> now*
Sky_Work> Well in this case we have something in common.
Sky_Work> I particularly want THG dead, and would like Roxy dead but I am not super hung up about it.
Sky_Work> Vampirate had a big hard on for getting Roxy dead.
Sky_Work> However you won't be able to lynch Roxy while THG is alive because if they are both townies, I am sure they have had detectives check each other.
Sky_Work> THG will pardon Roxy.
Sky_Work> So you want him dead first imo.
Sky_Work> Agree/disagree?

(time passes >.>)

Sky_Work> Come on man! You and Vamp both are like 'zomg lets kill Roxy' and balk at the idea of hitting THG. If he is a townie, why do you care?
Sky_Work> Surely he is not doing the seacows thing again.

(I don't really think THG is doing this but I threw it out there in case Elilea is copy pasting his conversation to somebody else to speak first. Elilea should not have known about Seacows since this is his first game, but somebody else puppetting him might react...)

Elilea> I would like THG dead first.
Elilea> for sure.
Sky_Work> Ok~
Sky_Work> I do not know the resources that you have available, however, I really did send those pm's to both Roxy and THG.
Elilea> What PMs?
Sky_Work> The reason I was autolynched on day 1.
Sky_Work> I PM'd THG and Roxy saying that I would help network and coordinate with them.
Sky_Work> I also told each of them that I was writing to the other likely-to-be-elected person with the same offer.
Sky_Work> Instead THG said that I threatened him in the PM and posted in the thread many lies about me.
Sky_Work> THG said that if he was mayor he would autolynch me.
Sky_Work> I called him out for lying and told Roxy about it. I asked her to stand up for me and say 'Yes, Sky did send this pm to me' and instead she autolynched me.
Elilea> Are Pardoner and Mayor not listed as townie or Mafia?

(This is when I discovered that Elilea may not be as good a player as I first surmised.)

Sky_Work> Roxy said to me in a private message that she would stand up for me in public.
Sky_Work> ........
Elilea> even unbeknownst to the sides?
Elilea> or what?
Sky_Work> On day 1
Sky_Work> Everybody was voting to elect somebody as mayor.
Sky_Work> But we didn't know the role of the person we were voting.
Elilea> yeah
Sky_Work> Nobody knows what the roles of Roxy or THG are.
Elilea> I see
Elilea> So they could be Mafia.
Sky_Work> In addition to the role they already had, they ALSO have the abilities that the mayor and pardoner have.
Elilea> i see.
Sky_Work> So, the big goal for the mafia is to kill the mayor.
Elilea> yeah
Sky_Work> Unless the mayor happens to BE mafia.
Sky_Work> Which is what happened in game 1.
Elilea> I don't think so.
Elilea> Rox is Roxy.
Sky_Work> As it so happens, Roxy and THG are very bad for the town.
Sky_Work> Because Rox is making everybody focus on her murderchurch thing and people are not solving the clues.
Sky_Work> Now, I don't know for sure what THG is doing.
Sky_Work> However he has publically lied several times now, and in the previous game, came up to me and deadtalked.
Sky_Work> So for the good of the game I want him dead. He is too much of a liability.
Sky_Work> So YOU should know who the mafia players are.
Sky_Work> They SHOULD be coordinating their kills with you.
Sky_Work> Mafia should have some kind of plan.
Sky_Work> But I think because you joined up after the first day, they didn't entirely trust you.

(It was my hope that by suggesting Elilea wasn't trusted by the mafia that he would reveal something to prove he WAS trusted)

Sky_Work> Anyway, I think THG has a leak in his network.
Sky_Work> Because a lot of valuable roles have been killed.
Elilea> yeah
Sky_Work> Mafia strategy at first was to hit the proactive and good players.
Elilea> they were coordinating their kills with me.
Sky_Work> Which is why, imo, they killed me first.
Elilea> not really
Sky_Work> ^_~
Elilea> You were killed because they didn't like you

(Oh really? How would you know this? So this is how we learned, THG has a leak in his network. I tried to get him to talk more about this.)

Sky_Work> Really? That's disappointing. I was hoping there was some good reason for it other than being Lord Montague last game.
Elilea> Nope, Lord Montague it was.
Sky_Work> Man, Roxy wasn't even in the last game O_o
Sky_Work> Maybe I'm a little bit vain, but I am curious about it - mafia wanted me dead too?
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Elilea> No, not realy.
Elilea> it was just sorta of a meh kind of thing.
Elilea> Hai, let's work with Aarin and destroy both the Mafia and Townies.
Elilea> fucking pissants.
Sky_Work> Aarin is working with you because he knows if he shows his hand for the town, he will die. I have been sending him dozens of pms (no really, I can show you some >.>) where I'm begging him to say something in public.
Sky_Work> That is why none of our clue analysis or networking has been made public.
Sky_Work> Well, I'm pretty sure it's no cooincidence that people who stood up against Roxy are all dead. However, I was surprised that the next night, a lot of Roxy's supporters died.
Elilea> I was a Roxy supporter.
Sky_Work> So was I .\/.
Sky_Work> It seems our loyalty was not repaid very well.
Sky_Work> Well, I understand if you can't say much about this because you might not trust me - aside from your mafia allies, were there any other people (eg townies) that you talked with? Or even people who were outside of the game? Because I am wondering how you were identified, and also, who killed you.
Elilea> THG probably identified me.
Sky_Work> The only way he could do that is from clues (Did you have kill power? If you didn't make any kills you can't leave clues) or if he has a detective power.
Sky_Work> THG claims he is a gossiper, like me. Gossipers get one clue a night phase. But we've sabotaged THG every night so he couldn't do it.
Sky_Work> So the only way he SHOULD have been able to identify you is if you said something that was later passed on to him.
Elilea> no i don't know.
Elilea> bah
Elilea> afk
Sky_Work> OK bud, I am just trying to help you here. I am sure you talked with plenty of people in the game. Can you remember who?

I'll update this if/when Elilea says more~