Petty spiteful hate filled responses

I can't reply in the main thread, so here's the responses I would loved to have made :D

THG's original reasoning for having me killed;

"Sky_Paladin - In both PM and in thread, he has said that he will create an outside network of players--outside the knowledge or influence or both Roxy and myself. Traditionally, this is how mayors do get lynched and Sky is a crazy-paranoid player that doesn't listen to any amount of reason anyway. If that weren't bad enough, he explicitly told me that he has no intention of fully working with me (implying this to be the case even if I was proven townie). So he is a player making a third-party townie organization as best he can, AND he will refuse to work with me even if there were evidence that proves me to be a townie. This means that he is mafia, godmother, or really, really unaware of the consequences to his actions. Either way, dead."

I had to go to work and there simply wasn't enough time for me to frame a good enough reply. Essentially, the vast majority of this paragraph is a big lie.

First: "In both PM and in thread, he has said that he will create an outside network of players--outside the knowledge or influence of both Roxy and myself."

Since there's been a history of either the mayor or the pardoner being a mafia member themselves, this is a pretty damn sensible thing to do.

Second: "Traditionally, this is how mayors do get lynched and Sky is a crazy-paranoid player that doesn't listen to any amount of reason anyway."

No. Mayors get lynched because they are fucking idiots who do stupid things. In my post, I warned both Rox and THG that if they killed me for a lie, that lie would turn to kill them soon enough. We'll see if I am right. I also said that THG would stick his hand in the bees nest and get himself killed as soon as possible. If we see THG die tomorrow (which would be my hope) we can add THG to the list of fucking idiot players who should never be listened to again. In the event he turns out to be a non-mafia member, it's even more ridiculous. There's no reason for a townie to lie to get another townie killed.

I am not a paranoid player. I WAS KILLED. This is not paranoia! This is well justified and proven, and further reinforces that I was telling the truth, and THG and Roxy lied.

I listen to plenty of reasons, but I won't bow down to stupidity.

If THG is mafia, he did the right thing - he recognised me as a major threat and got me taken down. If he's a townie he's a liability and needs to go. Either case - he needs the same fate as Jeffu.

Uberlegen accused me of seeing things in black and white and cut and dry. He is correct. That is because I can see a lie when it is put before me and know what it means about the person who lied.

Third: "If that weren't bad enough, he explicitly told me that he has no intention of fully working with me (implying this to be the case even if I was proven townie)."

The original pm said:

"Just so we're clear, and I have sent an identical message to Roxy - I am pretty sure that at least one of you is not mafia, so, I figure the best thing I can do as a contributing member of the town is to work with the both of you.

I think it's pretty obvious that either you or Rox are going to be the mayor and pardoner. However I can't just lay down and die so I'm obliged to keep campaigning~ Maybe if I'm lucky I'll get more than zero votes this time biggrin.gif

While I won't be revealing names and roles to you or Rox about people in my network (which unfortunately consists of 0 at the moment) I will definately be passing information up to you and back down should you wish.

Regardless how it turns out, good luck and good game!"

There is no malice here. It's impossible for THG to have misunderstood. Hell I even wish him good luck. This is a bold faced lie.

Fourth: "So he is a player making a third-party townie organization as best he can, AND he will refuse to work with me even if there were evidence that proves me to be a townie."

For the record if I got evidence that said THG was a member of the town, of course I would share with him. But I was sharing this message with both Rox and THG so I didn't explicitly state it.

Fifth: "This means that he is mafia, godmother, or really, really unaware of the consequences to his actions."

None of the above, Hopper-cat. You're either a poor mafia, or a really stupid townie. Either way, you're probably dead tomorrow. If you're a townie, I'll be sharing this blog with you and I'll expect a better explanation about why you lied about me.

Uberlegen~
"See, this is the only problem I have with your playing style. You seem to portray things as black and white too much for my liking.

You have emphasized this point twice, and seem to be inferring that if Rox doesn't support you right now, she too incriminates herself with THG in your eyes. This train of thought parallels last game, when your "with us or against us" attitude called for the admittance of everyone's roles. Now, last game you had a decent reason to do so, but at this point in this game, no one is obliged to answer to your calls or demands at all.

I'm not against you by any stretch of the imagination, but I'd like to see you be a bit more lenient and/or forgiving in terms of how others respond to your messages and words. I think that'll help you save yourself and others some unnecessary trouble. At this point in the game you seem to be wanting everything cut and dry, which isn't going to happen because of the inevitable and understandable early-game skepticism. Deducing clues and hints are one thing, but trying to come up with incriminating evidence at this point in time can lead to disaster.

So, unless I'm severely misinterpreting your mindset, and I apologize if I do, I'll suggest that you ease up a bit and let first day bygones be bygones for now. Be a bit more patient. happy.gif"

Well~
"You have emphasized this point twice, and seem to be inferring that if Rox doesn't support you right now, she too incriminates herself with THG in your eyes."

Yes, absolutely. This was a small trap to try to force Roxy to stand up to what she told me in private. Because if she would do that, I would trust her with the network, and if she wouldn't do that then I knew she was dangerous to me. When she posted and didn't support me, I knew I was dead. That is why I edited in the other comments later (before the lynch was done) to implicate her if I died.

"This train of thought parallels last game, when your "with us or against us" attitude called for the admittance of everyone's roles. "

The reality is, you are either with the town, or you're not. So this 'With us or against us' attitude is fundamentally correct, however the application of this is probably another story. I'm certain there's a better way than how I am currently doing it.

Given that I had a hunch I was going to die, I figured my best chance was to be as unsubtle as possible to give the town the best chance to figure out what to do should I die.

"I think that'll help you save yourself and others some unnecessary trouble."

Oh Uber >.>

"Deducing clues and hints are one thing, but trying to come up with incriminating evidence at this point in time can lead to disaster."

Oh Uber >.>

"So, unless I'm severely misinterpreting your mindset, and I apologize if I do, I'll suggest that you ease up a bit and let first day bygones be bygones for now. Be a bit more patient."

LOL HOW ABOUT NOW?!

And now we get to Hoppers response to this;

"I'm still burning things outside so I'm not at my computer very often. My only respone to current events is thus: A mafia would not have been dumb enough to give his lynch target enough time to respond to his plans. All of town can read that PM and assume that I was legitimately threatened by Spy's standoffish tone, his explicit mention towards never revealing roles (something necessary in a way once it is proven that I am town), and the very fact that it would be the exact same way that he played last time--which, I'm sure we all recall, Sky said on numerous occasions that he would aim to repeat."

First: "A mafia would not have been dumb enough to give his lynch target enough time to respond to his plans"

I nearly didn't have time. I had...two hours. That's a damn fine window of opportunity right there.

The rest is a run on sentence so I have to break it up.

"All of town can read that PM and assume that I was legitimately threatened by Spy's standoffish tone"

There was no such thing. I wished him good luck >.>

"his explicit mention towards never revealing roles (something necessary in a way once it is proven that I am town)"

This was never stated, explicitly or otherwise.

"and the very fact that it would be the exact same way that he played last time--which, I'm sure we all recall, Sky said on numerous occasions that he would aim to repeat."

So sue me if I want to use a strategy that worked previously again O_o;;

Jake is a suspicious cat:

"Im guessing he put red herrings into the clues, it makes sense compared to the role name and Sky is notorious for having put many a red herrings into the clues in previous games. Though hardly seems random if that is what it is"

Jake, wtf? I have never put a red herring in the game. Other people (notably mafia and seacows) always attribute clues to me. Black Kitty put red herrings in (twice!) for me in the previous game. The only clues I put in were the Montague clues to try to protect Santa.

Regardless, there already is a role that puts red herrings in - that is the Storyteller, something I clearly am not.

Finally, why would a townie want to add red herrings to clues that help narrow down the mafia?

Jake :/ Very suspicious man. You're on my #3 list of people to kill.

Harlock:

"anyhow i'd like to see an explanation for rox's lie that no instalynch would be done unless a verified detective showed someone was mafia...

the lies just keep on pileing up...

as for the priest... perhaps it's like the silencer role and was draftable to the mafia.

Anyhow Sky looking forward to working with you and whoever the necro is after i die tonight"

Somebody is thinking. I hope Harlock lives tonight.