Wednesday, July 23, 2008

Mails from TTR

Hey there guys,
TheThirdRider sent me some useful e-mails. I'm going to share them with you now.

First e-mail:

"Only two people knew of my role, Rox and THG. Rox knew because I approached her with a deal to sell my services in exchange for favors. If she were mafia this would have been beneficial and I doubt she would have killed me. THG was proclaiming playing his cards close to his vest. He told me he was gossiper when I first introduced myself, I believe he has powers similar to that as he referenced my night actions and correctly said I was farmer john, or faithful john in the narrative. Close enough that I believe it was a slip swapping faithful and farmer.

Sagi approached me (citeing what we did last game) as being town and roled, he said he could demonstrate his power later to prove himself, but he told me no more than that.

Spiritclaw approached me (also the same as last game) saying he was town and that he had met a mafia player first in this manner but they had made a deal and so he couldn't share their name.

I covered harlock night one. I absorbed one hit but you can see that he still died, siblings I expect as no one but myself know of harlock being covered. Night two I introduced myself to THG and I was covering aarin but THG said he needed me to switch to thewinkel who was in danger and is supposed to be the other medic and covering aarin. I covered the winkel night 3 too. I was never informed of absorbing a hit after night one.

I don't want to screw THG over completely (there are a couple emails I could forward as yet) as I'm not convinced yet that he is mafia. I haven't read all the blog yet. Is it revenge that drives you or do you really believe his guilt?"

My response:

"Well here's the situation: some of the dead aren't bothering to play at the moment. In fact only myself, Kaiba, Harlock and you are even contributing information. Link, ChaoticAtomBomb and a few others are on the blog but they don't do anything.

We aren't sharing information with the mafia for obvious reasons. We also know that Elilea is dead talking and has received numerous warnings from the mods about it however he just doesn't seem to get it. Tell him nothing, except what you'd like to be shared with everyone :D

Aarin claims to be townie and just working with the mafia for now but the reality is that his win conditions work with either faction. If he makes any obvious pro-town move, the mafia will kill him. He will use any information he comes across and sell it to both sides to keep himself alive. He hasn't got any choice really. He has to make himself useful to everyone or they will kill him. So I'd recommend against giving information to Aarin. My original hope was that he would coordinate with the dead to help pass the information we had learned to the town, however he has not acted in good faith. We need to give him some good information – like some additional mafia player names – so that he will trust us.

Originally I wanted THG dead because he lied about me so I was sure he was mafia. But now I'm not 100% sure about THG. None of us are. In the first days thread I warned the town that THG had lied about me, as did Roxy. From this alone I was certain that he was mafia, and numerous other things popped up or happened (for example, Harlock predicted that they would sacrifice Vampirate ((even before the town knew he was mafia)) to make THG look like a good guy) continued to paint him in a dangerous light.

However this is the third mafia that the town has lynched. It's a very long stretch of imagination to think that THG is a mafia player at this point. However we're pretty sure he's not pro-town either, which Harlock suggested probably indicates he is one of the siblings or the Fairy Godmother. The truth is, we really don't know. However we do know that THG wanted me dead, he wanted the towny sleepers dead (he told this to DJROC. DJROC was a sleeper vigilante. The day after he told his role he got killed) and that somehow both Harlock and the paramedic protecting him – that were known to THG – are also dead. There are also numerous instances of him lying about his role (saying to one person he was a gossiper, saying to another person that he didn't know anything about the gossiper role) and lying to people

I think the most likely situation is that THG is actually a townie, but his network has a giant leak in it (however this does not explain why he is lying to so many people). The second most likely is that THG is actually mafia or a sibling/godmother.

By the way, we think SpiritClaw is either mafia or set up to be mafia by the mafia. It's explained on the blog, basically DJROC picked the pattern that mafia are using to place hits and SpiritClaw SHOULD have been hit but was not.

Basically, if you're interested, please share these e-mails you have, and any additional information, with myself, DJROC and Harlock. If it's ok, I'd like to put them (and this e-mail) up on the blog, however I figure since you sent this just to me I should keep it private for now.

I've been telling the mafia that I want THG dead for revenge to try and sound out how they felt about him. But if we get some good intel that says he is the real deal, then I won't be after his head. I want the town to win more than I want vengeance :D

Thanks for writing to me ^_^ I hope we can get a good result soon…"

His second e-mail
"Share as you see fit. I just didn't know who to CC.

Below is THG last email to me, and the one that contains the most useful information. This may help resolve some things:

I'll maintain that TheWinkel is a likely target for tonight, moreso now that I do not have my mafia-contact covering him. Otherwise, Aarin MUST survive at least until more of town dies, and TheWinkel is covering Aarin again, imo.

Thus, please cover TheWinkel. My 50-50 coin flips have a 100% rate because I'm basing the answer off of strange little threats and vague feelings. Elilea is not my medic because he is unproven, aggressive, and attempting to learn my bodyguards in order to "lynch" them.

This is the list of people that I trust absolutely: ChoaticAtomicBomb, barbara (both townies), Gasp! Its Jake (paranoid), and yourself. A frighteningly small list, but this list of people have been absolutely proven either by the lynching of mafia or some other form or role-check verification (none of which have been done by detectives, ironically).

Beyond this list, there are many players that I kinda sorta trust with some vague hints at information. They would be bscar (townie), uberlegen (townie), Sapphire (veteran), TheWinkel (medic), BBC (detective), Sagi (detective), DNA_Styx (sleeper), and Roxy (sleeper). Beyond Roxy, uberlegen, and TheWinkel, I am not communicating with any not-verifiable role in any real way until they are more certainly verified through my increasingly trusted detectives. Thus, I do not trust Sapphire, bscar, or DNA with hardly any information at all.

Be careful when talking with Zaxser, Elilea, and malice-sama. In fact, I would strongly suggset that you don't. They are my current list of suspect mafia, with Elilea coming in highest and malice-sama coming a bit more distantly in second--waiting on detective vote-checks~"

7 comments:

Winks said...

THG asked me to cover DNA in the night, but I was blocked and then killed along with him.

I don't think THG is mafia because I exposed myself as a paramedic to him /early/ in the game and there's no way they would have passed up on a nice juicy target like that for so long. Personally, I think THG's network has a hole in it.

Sky_Paladin said...

It seems that everybody who networks with THG dies.

Anonymous said...

I have never been 100% convinced that THG was mafia, his knowledge of the gossiper role was too much to get over and after the lynch of the schizo i am pretty sure he isn't mafia)

I still suspect he may be a Sibling (i know if i was TFG i would make at least one BG protected person a Sibling).

from reading the email TGH sent also think either ChoaticAtomicBomb or Gasp! is the FGM and barbara (or one of the 2 above names) is the other Sibling (if it's not Rox). CAB is smart enough to make good sibling target choices (and to time the targeting) and i can see CAB targeting a low profile player as the other Sib.

Anonymous said...

oops just noticed that CAB is already dead. Guess that leaves Jake as a possible FGM.

Sky_Paladin said...

I heard from DNA.Styx that THG is now claiming to be a Mad Hatter. He told DNA that if Aarin dies, to get the dead to deadvote THG.

DNA, did I get that right?

Anonymous said...

There's a part of me that actually thinks that THG is still mafia, but at this point, it's highly, highly unlikely.

And I'd like to ask: why do you guys suspect a massive leak? THG, despite everything is a very good player and I'm at this point he would have noticed if his network (which by now should be pretty efficient at this point) has a leak. Moreover, I will say that if THG has a leak, it's going to be either Roxy or Aarin. Note that while THG has been giving good mafia names, Roxy is doing her idiotic murderchurch BS. Also, if what you guys said is correct and Aarin is pro-mafia, and I would suspect that Aarin is also a part of THG's network, as the necromancer is a pretty big role.

That said and all, I personally believe that THG is one of the godmothers/siblings. Something that is fairly noticeable when you hear people talking - there has been absolutely no discussion on the godmother or siblings whatsoever, despite the fact that currently no one has any ideas as to who they are. Compare this to last game, where Montagues and Capulets both united to take down the common threat of the citizens (while this analogy is not the same, it should be noted.)

Also, THG's different claiming of roles is odd to say the leat, and I think to say that he's probably neither.

Anonymous said...

i don't think THG has a unintentional leak but may have an intentional one. Winks killing is suspect as he's not been very active. If THG is a sibling it's likely he's intentionally giving info to mafia.

any why is THG still talking to DNA? ignore him. I'm sure Aarin will let us know who the mad hatter is when he dies (and it's up to us if we want to kill the MH or not)